the koch brothers for instance have many different revenues and sources from which they can contribute. some are private companies, some are public companies, but if the koch brothers want to contribute individually, it would make it through the system. >> bill: i think this is more real than the idea of amending the constitution. >> that's why since day one, you and i have had this conversation, i have been saying shareholders is the reservoir of power that has yet to be tapped. >> bill: right. in some parts of the country, they are experiencing delays in flights, and the cancellation of some flights, and they are demanding that we have an exemption to the sequester for air traffic controllers. >> right. >> bill: this is like saying we want the sequester, but we don't want to feel the impact. >> yes, the hypocrisy in the sequester is just incredible and now they are trying to exempt the preshour -- pressure points. the president was saying it is going to be a much more significant impact eventually and this is a death by a thousand cuts, and now we're beginning to feel some pain, so c